Leah Hadley [00:00:01]:
Welcome to Intentional Divorce Insights. I'm Leah Hadley, certified divorce financial analyst, accredited financial counselor, and the founder of Intentional Divorce Solutions. I'll be your guide through the complexities of divorce, finance, and emotional wellness. Join me as we uncover practical tips and empowering insights to help you navigate your divorce with clarity and intention.
Leah Hadley [00:00:26]:
Hi there, and welcome back to Intentional Divorce Insights. I'm thrilled to introduce our guest today. This is Katie Wilcox Carter who is a Virginia based family law attorney at Hofheimer Family Law where they represent women exclusively in divorce. And they are actually the only firm that I know of that does that. I imagine there's probably more out there, but that's a pretty unique place to be. Katie started her own social media - your girlfriend needs a divorce, which I follow her on social media and I encourage you to as well. Lots of great content. Representing women and helping them to advocate for themselves during the divorce and custody process is her focus. So she lives in Virginia and practices there. She also grew up there, but Katie decided to enter family law specifically as a result of 2 abusive relationships. One was in her extended family and the other was, which really destroyed her entire extended family. And the other was a guy that she dated before she met her husband. And so there's a lot of kinda internal motivation and inspiration around why Katie got into this specific area of law.
Leah Hadley [00:01:43]:
I'm thrilled to have you here today. Welcome, Katie.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:01:45]:
Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to to talk to you a little bit more about divorce and hopefully help educate a few people about, you know, choices that they have and opportunities they can take advantage of.
Leah Hadley [00:01:56]:
Yeah. And even though Katie is located in Virginia, she has a wealth of resources. So keep in mind though that she is coming from that perspective. But, Katie, what do women need to know before divorce to make the best decisions possible?
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:02:11]:
I think it's really important to get a firm grasp of the laws in your state, and keep in mind how much they can vary from state to state. So what you're here hearing from a friend or a family member, or even your husband, is probably not gonna be true. You're gonna wanna I mean, it's fine to listen to it, to have it inform the questions that you're asking when you meet with an attorney, but don't accept anything as true without verifying that it actually is. And I find a lot of women that come into my office are saying, well, I know this is true. And I'm like, no. It's not. And so we have to go through kind of a reeducation process. So you do wanna make sure that you take the time to get the answers to those questions before you're considering signing a document or before you're even a lot of people are kinda negotiating behind the scenes with their soon to be ex thinking that they're making progress.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:03:01]:
But if you're coming from a misinformed place, you might be doing more harm than good because then if you find out the truth and you're, you know, going back on what you said you'd do, it can disrupt the negotiation process. So I think the most important thing from the beginning is to find out what's true in your state and how that applies in your case.
Leah Hadley [00:03:19]:
That is such important advice. And what I see happening a lot is I know people do a ton of research online when they're considering going through it a divorce, and they might ask in different like online groups or forums or what have you. And I'm always shocked by people responding in those forums without asking for more information. Because a lot of times, you know, as a professional, I'm reading the question and I'm going, there's no way to answer that question with the limited information that's been provided. And here they have all these strangers who are, you know, providing their 2¢ or whatever. But I think it's kinda dangerous, like, you're talking about because when you are acting from a place of misinformation, then, you know, that can really throw a wrench into things. And then the other piece of it is I hear and there's some wonderful, wonderful blogs out there from attorneys all around the country, but somebody will come to me and talk to me about a quote law that they read about, and it's not relevant in their particular situation because, again, it is state specific. So I'm so glad that you said that.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:04:24]:
Yeah. I mean, I think it's hard I'm in a number of local groups on social media for different different moms in different areas, different cities like near where I live. And there are so many family law questions and so many answers and a lot of very few attorneys answering the questions. There's 4 or 5 of us and we're constantly like, no, no, that's misinformation. Or someone's like, well, I asked chat GPT, and it told me this. It's like, oh, God. I've got robots giving answers now. So, it's it is really alarming to see the misinformation and how quickly that can spread.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:04:59]:
And, you know, if you are looking to the Internet for information, you wanna make sure that you're looking for things that were, you know, written relatively recently because even for attorneys, things can be out of date. The law changes. So something written recently, ideally, that's coming from an attorney and that's coming from someone who is practicing in your state or commonwealth because it makes a big difference. I mean, California and Virginia, we're not the same. Not the same at all. So if you're getting some of these things that are, you know, super popular or trending, it's not necessarily gonna be the case in in your situation. Whether it's good news or bad news that you're getting, I don't want you to either celebrate or panic. You know, just use that as fuel to create the list of questions that you're gonna ask when you go meet with an attorney.
Leah Hadley [00:05:47]:
Yeah. And the other thing that you said was your spouse giving you misinformation. And I have seen this to to some extremes in some cases. I'll give an example. A couple that I worked with where husband told wife that she was not entitled to any of his retirement benefits. And he was a federal employee. And, basically most of the marital assets were in fact his retirement benefits between his pension and this TSP account. And he or she had entered this negotiation process thinking that all of that was off the table and that was pretty eye opening when she realized, but you don't know what you don't know.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:06:28]:
Yeah. And you can't beat yourself up. Right? Like, I mean, you know, at this point, I've got some 13 years in practice, and I'm still learning new things every day. So it's not like because you don't know that you're stupid, but I do think you have to keep in mind that certain people are talking to you with their own best interest in mind and not necessarily yours. And I do see I see that kind of the myth around division of retirement, especially, I mean, with military families, you're talking about civil service. But, you know, but there's some different version of the 10 year myth all over the place. And in Virginia, from the day that you're married, you're entitled to half of what was earned, purchased, or acquired of the retirement, you know, during the marriage. Not anything before the marriage, not anything after the marriage, but during the marriage.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:07:10]:
And that myth just it you know, it's like a cockroach. It just survives. And I feel like I'm talking about it all the time and people are still coming to me telling me that they know that they're not entitled to it. And it's like, you know, if the if the military is telling you that it's because they're trying to protect the service member or because they genuinely don't know. JAG attorneys aren't licensed to practice in states. They practice military law in the military and handle military cases. They're not, even if they're stationed in Virginia, they are not representing clients in divorce cases in Virginia courts. So they might not know, it's possible, but I think it's probably more likely that they're protecting the service member.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:07:46]:
And your spouse, you know, he wants to keep it all for himself, so he has a real incentive to provide misinformation. And you're coming into this thinking, you know, this is my husband. We've always been on the same team, and it's hard to have this disconnect where you think, well, we're not on the same team anymore. Actually, we're adverse parties, and I need to, you know, treat it as such. So, yeah, you know, in the worst cases, I've seen agreements that women have signed that they've waived things that they thought that they weren't entitled to. But it's always a good idea to at least ask the question before you sign something that you can't take away.
Leah Hadley [00:08:21]:
Right. Right. Absolutely. And I'm glad you brought up military divorce specifically, Katie, because that is an area of expertise that Hofheimer has, but not all law firms have that area of expertise, and there is a lot of nuance around those military benefits. So I wonder if you could just speak to that for a minute and some of the mistakes that you see people making there.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:08:44]:
Well, and even in military cases, it changes a lot from state to state, but there's the problem is that military military families especially are kind of trained to rely on military resources. So they're used to thinking that whatever the problem is, there's a military resource out there to handle it. And when it comes to divorce and child custody, these things are handled through the state courts. They're not handled in a military sense at all. So I get women coming in who think that they're entitled to support based on how it would be calculated in the military person's manual, the Milpersman. And that's not the same as how we calculate support in the Virginia courts. And the I don't even know why they would provide that in that document except that, you know, it I mean, it's some kind of guideline and if they wanna use it in the interim, maybe that provides a benchmark for some people. Mostly, I find though that the the husbands are not willing to pay support without a court order, so you have to go to court anyway.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:09:41]:
But I have people coming in thinking that support guidelines look different than they do. And it's hard to tell them, you know, what you've been trained to believe, what you've been trained to trust is not really the right source that we wanna follow here. We wanna talk to, you know, a Virginia attorney or an attorney in the state where, you know, that this particular family is stationed to figure out what support guidelines are gonna look like. And in terms of dividing the military retirement, dividing the TSP, like, there are really specific guidelines in place, specific language that has to be addressed. And even in I think it was 2014 or may may that they changed the retirement plans to the new blended retirement plan. So things have things have changed too. So we have kind of seismic shifts within the military itself, but also that impacts state law. And you're gonna want to find out, you know, from someone practicing in the state.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:10:38]:
Not, again, not a JAG attorney and certainly not your husband, how to proceed because the guidance that you're gonna get from, you know, military resources is typically flawed at best. Even if those people I mean, I I think the people at Fleet and Family and other organizations are genuinely trying to do their best, but there's a lot of regulations and a lot of, you know, red tape, a lot of things to navigate. So you definitely wanna talk to an attorney who's experienced in handling military cases and living where we do. I'm in Hampton Roads. So we have tons. We have just a very heavy military presence, and we see probably, you know, at least half of our cases, you know, for coming from coming out of the military.
Leah Hadley [00:11:19]:
Oh, I didn't realize it was that many. Okay.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:11:20]:
I mean, it's a it's a it's a lot. It's a lot. And, I mean, we certainly have the edge. I mean, I think, I mean, a lot of people in our area are are handling a lot of military cases just because of, you know, the high penetration and maybe, you know, other firms in other areas where there's, you know, only, you know, one military base or something. It's it's not quite as prevalent, but it's kind of everywhere here. And, it's really it's really important to get that information and to make sure that you have someone that is familiar with the regulations because it's complex and it's changing, and you wanna make sure that you have all of the, you know, all of the things in the agreement before you sign it.
Leah Hadley [00:11:59]:
Absolutely. Now we know that most of the time, if not all the time, you're not gonna get a 100% of the marital assets. That's just reality. And most of the time it yeah. Most of the time it's going to be closer to half. You know, certainly there are reasons why it may not be, but somewhere in that neighborhood. So how do you know which 50% of the assets that you should really ask for to set yourself up for long term success?
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:12:32]:
I think it's always an individual question of priorities, and that can vary from person to person. But I do also think I think it's a mistake to go all in on I mean, you know, and this is me talking obviously, I I tell each client, you know, you're in the driver's seat. You're calling the shots. I'm just here to provide information and to make sure that handle it in the way that you want it handled. But a lot of women come to me and tell me that they want the house, for example, that that they wanna keep the kids in the school district. They wanna keep things, you know, the same and feeling continuous and, you know, not be disrupted in that way. And they're willing to trade off, for example, like a portion of their interest in the retirement for the home. And I I do think it's important to consider when we're talking about investments, we're talking about money long term, that diversification is good.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:13:19]:
You know? Because if if the market's hit too hard, any one way on any one particular asset, and that's all you've got, it really, it can put you in a tricky situation. So if you're cons and if you're considering this, I mean, if it's something that you're you're like, nope. Like, I don't care what you say, Katie. This is what I'm gonna do. At least talk to a financial planner too. I mean, I I know I know, Leah, you do a lot of the financial planning work. I don't I don't do any of that myself. I would refer to, you know, someone who is an expert in that field.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:13:48]:
But to kind of run through the numbers and look at things from a number of different perspectives so that you can make sure that, you know, whether you stay in that house or whether you consider maybe a few other alternatives as you're negotiating your agreement, you're at least considering what that's gonna look like for you long term. It's not it is, of course, a question of how you're gonna live and what life's gonna look like when the ink is dry on your final divorce decree. But it's also a question of what things are gonna look like 15, 20, 30 years from now. And you wanna put yourself in a position where you're not living in poverty and old age, and you're not, like, you know, reeling from some, you know, change to the market that you didn't anticipate that really, decimates the one asset that you, you know, leverage everything against. So I think diversification is important. I don't like to trade, you know, a variety of things for only one thing. But if you do, if that's something that you're thinking about, then I would recommend, you know, at least meeting with a financial planner and coming up with some scenarios and and running the numbers just to make sure that you know what you're doing.
Leah Hadley [00:14:57]:
Yeah. You know, it's interesting. So we do run tons of scenarios for people, and the house has been a really tough issue to deal with for the last few years since interest rates went up. And a lot of people have very low interest rates on their existing mortgage. And so if they have to refinance, it's quite possible that they're refinancing at a significantly higher interest rate. But one of the things we look very closely at is cash flow and I think that is really under test like the importance of that is underestimated. You know a lot of times people will say to me, well if I rent it's going to be the same as my mortgage or it's going to cost even more maybe in some cases than my mortgage. Well, that might have been your mortgage at the lower interest rate, and that might have been your mortgage before having to take cash out and pay out your spouse.
Leah Hadley [00:15:45]:
And in addition to that, when when you own the home, you're responsible for all the maintenance, all the care, all that, you know, all of that. And so factoring all that in when sometimes you can take that equity out of the house and actually invest it, generate more income for yourself, and then it can actually be a better cash flow perspective. So it's so important to consider, you know, not just the assets, not just the comfort and the safety which I know when you're going through this difficult life change it's easy to say, you know that you just don't want any other change to happen. But it's so important and I always tell people also that liquid savings cash is is really king. It gives you freedom and flexibility. And so if you're giving up all the savings and all the liquidity that you have access to and then unfortunately I had a client, who had a horrible flood in her basement just post divorce and had given up basically everything to keep the house, and then she didn't have any leverage to actually deal with the flood issue, and then she was worried about mold, and it was a very serious issue. You know, you don't know when that stuff happens. And so really preparing and protecting yourself from some of the unknowns are so important.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:16:54]:
Yeah. It's not not fun to be house poor.
Leah Hadley [00:16:58]:
Right.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:16:59]:
And and it's not even just a question of the mortgage and even, like, the upkeep. Like you said, you know, accidents can happen. A tree can fall on the roof. But you also are still paying all the stuff that goes into that escrow account. So the taxes, the insurance, like, so it's not even just can I afford the mortgage, it's can I afford all of these things? Can I afford to have someone come do the lawn if I can't take care of it myself? And I find a lot of times, it's those added expenses that can put you over the top and make you think, well, actually, is this a good idea? Whereas if you went to a rental, maybe the rent is higher than you might like to pay, but you aren't responsible for, you know, maintenance and repairs and if something were to go wrong. Yeah. I I I think we really, like, you know, we're really stuck on that, you know, the American dream of home ownership in a lot of cases. And there's so many, you know, I feel like I see real estate agents constantly posting, like, how smart it is to own your home.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:17:53]:
But I do think you need to consider that renting can be a very, very smart choice too. And so many of these things are individual and based on specific circumstances and even even things like, you know, how much traveling you're doing, how often like, are you gonna be there to take care of it? Right. You know, what kind of custody arrangement do you have? How much space do you need? Like, can you maintain this without, you know, another adult in the house helping you to take care of it, helping you to pay for it? It's a it's a it's a big deal to stay in a house that used to be supported by, you know, 2 grown adults, maybe even 2 incomes, and to take that down to 1 and have, you know, dramatically different financial circumstances and still have it, you know, feel good on a month to month basis. And you don't wanna go from, you know, stress to stress. You know, when the divorce is over, you wanna feel better, not worse. So I think it's, you know, it's just an important consideration. I mean, they're not just keeping the house, but all of those thing all they're all different pieces of a much larger puzzle.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:18:56]:
And you wanna make sure that you're considering your, you know, your whole picture altogether and not hyper focusing on one thing that might actually make your life harder rather than easier.
Leah Hadley [00:19:08]:
Yeah. Absolutely. Now another thing that I often hear from people, is, you know, that the custody conversations or the visitation arrangements can be extremely emotional, and sometimes they wanna waive their interest in certain assets or take on more liabilities in exchange for maybe more time with their kids or, you know, what that depends on what that looks like for the given situation. But what do you tell those clients, Katie?
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:19:37]:
No. Absolutely no. I get it. No. No. There I I feel like there's very few things in family law that have such a black and white answer, but absolutely do not do that. In Virginia and pretty much everywhere else, custody is modifiable. And, the the agreement or the court order that you're getting that divides the assets and liabilities is not modifiable.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:19:59]:
So you're gonna be stuck with this financial picture, but the custody picture can change. In Virginia, it's if you have a material change in circumstances, you can file for a modification of custody, visitation, and child support, but that's really it. Everything else is pretty much set in stone once your divorce is finalized. So then if you were to do that, if you were to give away, say, your interest in the retirement or your interest in the home in order to keep primary custody or to have him, you know, relinquish, you know, most of his time, then you might find later that not only are you in a difficult financial position, but he's able to continue to file petitions and to try and take more parenting time away from you. And if he's then, you know, well established, he's got a nice, safe, clean home, and you're living out of your car, like, it's not it's not difficult to imagine how custody can change. So there's very few absolutes, but I would say absolutely do not waive your interest in anything economic in order to keep more time with your kids because it can backfire in a way that, you know, puts you in a position where you're destitute and, you know, you don't necessarily get to keep as much parenting time as you might want. So keep custody in custody sphere and the finances in their sphere, and they're separate. But don't don't let that crossover happen.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:21:20]:
And I know how tempting it is because especially if you've been the default parent, the primary caregiver to imagine that he would take, you know, 30, 40, 50 percent of the time. It's it's heartbreaking. It's terrifying. It seems like a logical solution. Right? You know he cares about the money, and if you say, well, I'll back off from this, will he back off from what matters the most to you? But it's a it's a it's a tricky situation, and I would not recommend that you do that.
Leah Hadley [00:21:47]:
I couldn't agree more, and it comes up so frequently. And so if you find yourself in that situation and you're contemplating it, listen again to what Katie just said.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:21:59]:
No. No. I get it. I get it. I'm a mom too. You're a mom too. I I get it.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:22:06]:
And the time I have with my children is precious, and it would be hard to imagine a scenario where you don't have them for Christmas or dad has a month over the summer or you're doing week on week off or something that feels really impossible. But it's gonna feel more impossible if you waive your interests in the assets. It's not going to feel better. So just don't.
Leah Hadley [00:22:37]:
Katie, can you tell us a little bit about the resources that people can find there and some of the workshops that you guys host?
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:22:42]:
Yeah. Sure. Actually, it's it's Hofheimer, but totally fine. I get it. It's a it's a hard it's a hard one to say. But, yeah, our whole shtick I mean, we've been around since the early nineties, not not me personally, obviously. I'm way too young. But we've been around since the early nineties, and the the big goal has always been to provide education.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:23:00]:
And so the firm founder, Charlie Hofheimer, originally in the early days wrote a book, what every Virginia woman needs to know about divorce. And his daughter was practicing with him at the time, and then she added, a custody book, and then we had an attorney for a while who worked with us who wrote one on military divorce. And then I added one after I started in 2011 on hiring the right attorney. And since that time, we have Charlie's retired. Kristen, unfortunately, passed away. So we have and laws have changed. Right? So we have revised all of those books. We have, you know, a a number of different versions from where they originally existed.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:23:35]:
But 4 free books that Virginia women can download to kind of like, really women everywhere, can download just to kind of get an idea about how the work the the law works in Virginia. And, I mean, I think even for someone who is coming into this not in Virginia, reading the book or, you know, reading some other resources can at least, like, you know, bring up red flags in your mind. Well, I need to ask about this. I need to ask about that. I hadn't considered this. What's gonna happen to that? So that you can ask an attorney in your state exactly how it will work for you. But there are so many things you just don't know about family law and divorce if you haven't been through it. And even if you have, things have probably changed.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:24:14]:
So it's, it's a good idea to at least brush up on that, but we have the 4 free books. We have a number of free reports. We have, you know, a whole series on special issues in custody and visitation, like relocation, reunifications, sexual and, physical abuse of children. We have working with guardian ad litems, how to handle social media, one about collaborative divorce, and we have 2 seminars, 1 on divorce and 1 on child custody. The divorce one we do every month and the custody one quarterly. And they're all you know, the books, the reports are all free. We got, you know, thousands of pages of blogs, and the seminars are pretty low cost, especially compared to the cost of of meeting with an attorney just to help answer those questions. The nice thing about the seminars too, they're taught live on Zoom these days, but we handle questions and answers.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:25:02]:
Oh, they're all taught by one of our attorneys. And, we answer the questions live as you go so that if there is something that is just keeping you lying awake at night that you can't stop worrying about, and you wanna ask how it applies or how the law applies to your specific situation. You can ask those questions and you can get real answers without paying the cost of a consult. So, we're pretty pretty proud of those resources. They've been kind of things that we've been evolving for a lot a long time, some of them. And it's it's kind of our way to give back. We're not, you know, paid for doing the seminars. It's just it's, you know, it's extra time on top of our regular case loads that we take out to do the seminars and to answer the questions.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:25:45]:
And it's, you know, it's really for me, I feel like it's, it's affirming work. Like, it talking to these people and giving them answers when they're at this, crisis point and helping guide them to see what's gonna be best for them and best for their kids. I mean, that's what it's all about to me. So, I love doing them. I love hearing the questions. I love knowing what, like, people are asking so that I can make sure to, you know, draft a blog on it, to do social media posts on it, to make sure to, like, share that information in a wider sense. Because if one person has a question or something's not clear to one woman, then it's not clear to a bunch of others. They're just not asking because they're, you know, they're too scared or they don't even know they should ask it.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:26:25]:
So, I would definitely check it out if you're interested, whether you're in Virginia or not. Of course, the law that we cite is specific to Virginia, but the issues are not. The issues come up in cases all across the country. So just knowing, being able to have a better handle on, say, how breastfeeding is handled in the custody and visitation case and, you know, having that inform the questions that you're asking to an attorney in your state can be really helpful. And, if you wanna check it out or get more information, the URL for the law firm is hoflaw.com. That's hoflaw.com, and we're really proud of it. So check it out, and, you know, let me know what you think. I'd love to hear I always love to hear feedback from people.
Leah Hadley [00:27:06]:
That's fantastic. And we will include that link in the show notes, so be sure to check out those resources. And I mentioned that Katie's on social media. Where can people find you on social media, Katie?
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:27:16]:
Yeah. I well, I I mean, I I do mention the social media, much of the, you know, the the blogs and the articles and things for the firm at Hofheimer Law. But I'm also I also started your girlfriend needs a divorce, and I am on Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and kinda sharing videos and tips and tricks and things that I think people should know. It's this is a new project for me. It was just something I I got to this point where I was just like, I have so much more to say. I have so much more to say. And, I felt like there was nothing I could do but just get it out there by whatever means necessary. And, that's kind of that's kind of how it started, and I've been sharing content, you know, on my own, both with the firm and on my own for, I don't know, 9 months now.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:28:03]:
9 months I've been doing it. It's real it's it's been real it's been really fun to talk to people. Like, you know, like family law, you know how it is. Like, it's not like everybody's liking or sharing your stuff. You see the views. But you don't see there's much activity because people are nervous. But I'm getting tons of, direct messages from from women going through this based like, all throughout the world.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:28:22]:
I've gotten few questions from people in other countries, and, it's really neat to be able to connect with people. And, I mean, I'm following other influencers who are working in the space too, trying to change laws, to make things more egalitarian, to help women have equal access to the justice system. And it's inspiring to see what other people are doing and to hear about cases in other states and what other moms are going through. And, you know, it just all kind of helps inform a wider perspective. So I've been I've been I've been excited to do it. It's it's been a real passion project of mine.
Leah Hadley [00:28:55]:
That's fantastic. So you can find Katie everywhere.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:28:58]:
Yeah. I'm trying. Yeah. I mean, it's a little different. I'm trying to do it a little differently on all the different platforms because, you know, like, the same content doesn't work well everywhere. Some places like more video. Some people like less video does better. But, you know, just trying to share the information because it's so you know, with divorce, you only get one shot.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:29:21]:
And visitation might be modifiable, but you wanna make sure that you are as informed as possible because, you know, you might have an attorney, you might not, but you are your first and best advocate. And the more you know, the more you can inform your attorney, and the more you can advocate for the things that are important to you and important for your children, and that's priceless.
Leah Hadley [00:29:45]:
Well, Katie, thank you so much for joining us today and for sharing so much wisdom with our audience. This has been fantastic.
Katie Wilcox Carter [00:29:51]:
Oh, thank you for having me. This was fun.
Leah Hadley [00:29:54]:
Absolutely. My pleasure. And for those of you who are listening, thanks for being here, and we'll see you next week.
Leah Hadley [00:30:00]:
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