Leah Hadley [00:00:01]:
Welcome to Intentional Divorce Insights. I'm Leah Hadley, certified divorce financial analyst, accredited financial counselor, and the founder of Intentional Divorce Solutions. I'll be your guide through the complexities of divorce, finance, and emotional wellness. Join me as we uncover practical tips and empowering insights to help you navigate your divorce with clarity and intention. Welcome back to the Intentional Divorce Insights podcast. It is my absolute pleasure today to introduce Liesel Darby who is part of our team here at Intangible Divorce Solutions. Thank you so much for being here with us today, Liezl.
Liesel Darby [00:00:41]:
Oh, thanks for having me. You know I love this.
Leah Hadley [00:00:45]:
We're talking about an important topic today. We're talking about divorce support groups, which Liesel has started leading for our organization. And they are just such a wonderful resource. So I'm really excited to have an opportunity to talk with Liesel about that and why they can be such a huge benefit to people who are taking about divorce, going through a divorce, or even post divorce. But before I get into that, Lisa, tell us a little bit about you and how you got into the work that you're doing.
Liesel Darby [00:01:12]:
Okay. Many, many Years ago, when I was doing my, my graduate work to be a counselor, I had to do an an internship somewhere. And I ended up working in a facility that did, we did treatment for adolescents who were having drug and alcohol issues, And they were all court ordered, and we provided groups for them. That was the preferred mode of treatment. And as you can, just imagine. This was, like, the hardest population to cut my teeth on because nobody wanted to be there. They did not wanna sit in a group. I think our groups were at that time were, like, 2 hours in length.
Liesel Darby [00:01:56]:
We took a break, but we're talking about having teenagers 2, 3 times a week, from 6 to 8 PM, talking about things they did not wanna talk about, And they were gonna get in major trouble if they didn't attend. So that was my very first that was my first experience with groups. But even back then, it was fascinating to me how this how you could take a bunch of belligerent teenagers To you talk about having resistance. Right? And how they would bond and eventually, develop the trust, not only with the therapist, but with each other that allowed them to tell their stories And and to gripe and and moan and all this stuff, but it was fascinating when they would start Talking to each other, like, this was a treatment group, so they would actually eventually start calling each other on their stuff. Right. And that's when they would make the real progress. But that's how that started, and I was always just fascinated with the dynamics of a group. So When when I did eventually become a therapist, I was doing just more individual work, so the the group part fell away, but I always had a connection And when I became, years later after I I wasn't doing therapy anymore, but I became a certified life coach, And I started a divorce coaching business of my own.
Liesel Darby [00:03:24]:
One of the things I dabbled in was, well, how can I get groups of women who are going through divorce together? And the avenue for that, turned out to be, meetup.com. And I I was running a meetup group for women who are going through divorce, and I think they had about 10 in there. That was fun. We we just talked a lot about we we used the book called dumped. It It was like the the required reading for the group. It had some great suggestions on just how to kinda pick yourself up, dust yourself off, And moving forward. So that was fun. I did that for about a year.
Liesel Darby [00:04:06]:
Then just, You know, as as life goes on, then I ended up working for a group, a company With you, Leah, you know, the mom shine group. And I I wasn't doing a a group per se with them, but I was teaching a class. I was their communications coach, And we were dealing with moms who are divorcing narcissists. Very specific niche. And so I was I was having these Zoom groups classes where we were talking about, you know, ways to communicate and all those other stuff when you're going through a difficult divorce. And It started to act like a group at times when I wasn't in my teacher mode. It was really kind of interesting to see how, the the ladies in that group would kinda come to to each other's def not not defense, but their support. Come to their support and say, you know what? I was I'm having the same issue with with talking to my ex, and I'm having the same issue when dealing with my kids.
Liesel Darby [00:05:09]:
And, again, it was just the magic of seeing the power of a group. Like, we it's not just 1 on 1 stuff. It's there's more energy here, And it's very, very healing. And so from that, while I was doing that, I also became involved with another company that asked me to do a to do some kind of a support group for whatever topic I wanted to. And so I thought, well, you know, there's more moms who are going through difficult divorces. And so I, this one was a little bit more broad, and I I'm I'm doing a support group for women going through challenging divorces. So, again, I love the group dynamic. And then, of course, got the wonderful opportunity to to continue that here.
Liesel Darby [00:05:54]:
Such a perfect fit. And I'm just so happy that, you know, the all the stars aligned and all my background just Comes together perfectly to offer this to women who are going through challenging times with their divorce.
Leah Hadley [00:06:08]:
It really does, and and something that you didn't mention. But you also went through your own divorce. Right?
Liesel Darby [00:06:14]:
Yes. I did. And I did not have a support group Per se, I I made my own support group from from my very good girlies, and that that was wonderful too. But that actually tended to be more one to 1. You know? It wasn't I mean, my my my therapy per se was going out dancing, with with with some love that. Yeah. But my my when I had my, my divorce coaching business, my tagline was from devastation to dancing. And because that really was my story.
Liesel Darby [00:06:48]:
So I'm just kind of feeling like I was crawling around on the ground. It's in a fetal position on the couch and, you know, not not washing my hair there for days and going out dancing forced me to get off the couch and put on a regular pair of jeans and and Wash my hair and put some lip gloss on at least and get out and and then move, you know, and it was very therapeutic for me to do that. But I did surround myself with some strong women who were all divorced, Prior to me, and they took care of me. And it was what I needed because who knows how much longer it would Taken me to get through the healing process had I not had support from somebody else. It's too much to do it by yourself.
Leah Hadley [00:07:36]:
Yeah. That's such a good point. For those who have never been to a support group before, for a lot of us, it may not be such a common Concept or idea. Can you tell us a little bit more about what exactly is a support group and why would somebody want to join 1?
Liesel Darby [00:07:52]:
Okay. Well, the biggest thing is just to just to knowing that you are not alone. Like, there's other people who are in if they're not I don't like to say we're all in the same boat, but we're in the similar boat. Or maybe we're in all the same boat. We're in different parts of the boat. Oh my god. So depending on when you boarded the boat, depends on where you're sitting. Right? But it's just it's the power of a group.
Liesel Darby [00:08:19]:
It's the power of knowing that there are other people going through a similar situation. They might not have the exact situation because our stories are all different in in some way, but the commonality is that we're Going through a breakup of a major relationship that has consequences. There's financial consequences. There's social consequences. You know, all all kinds of stuff, emotional consequences. And just to know that you are not alone And you don't have to go through this alone is huge. Absolutely. There's just such relief It just being it whether it's in a physical room with others or, you know, we do our our group on Zoom, but we we can see each other and we're Talking with with each other, just the relief of knowing that there are others here.
Leah Hadley [00:09:09]:
Yeah. For sure. You know, when I was going through my own divorce, I was very private about it, and I didn't really talk to anybody about it. I was embarrassed, honestly, to be talking about it. And so the only person I really spoke to during that time about the divorce itself and what I was experiencing was my mom who had gone through 2 of her own divorces. So I felt like I could lean on her, and she understood what I was going through. But I also didn't wanna put the weight of it on her. And, the other thing was, you know, my ex husband and I were gonna co parent for years years years, And I didn't necessarily wanna taint his reputation with her either because the fact of the matter is it was really important to me that we all get along.
Leah Hadley [00:09:53]:
My mom is very involved with our kids. And so, you know, it I think for me as a support group would have been tremendously beneficial at that time just so I could have felt more that I, you know, wasn't alone, and, you know, I could be in a safe space to talk about it without judgment. Yeah. Yeah.
Liesel Darby [00:10:13]:
That's a key word. It's a safe space. You know, everybody who's in the group, we understand that with with setting group stays in group, And, very accepting. You know? Not Yeah. Nobody there's no judgment in these groups. There's none.
Leah Hadley [00:10:29]:
Yeah. I love that so much. So there, you know, are various stages for somebody who's going through a divorce. You know, sometimes people are thinking about it for years before they actually Decide to move forward. Sometimes the divorce process itself can take years. And then certainly the healing journey post divorce can take a long time too. I'm curious. At what point do you recommend that people consider joining a support group?
Liesel Darby [00:10:56]:
Any and all. Whenever whenever you whatever stage you're in, a support group can help you. So this is not this is not specific. You don't, I mean, it's just like you kinda delineated there, Leah, you know, if you were just thinking about it, right, then that can be a very scary time because that's Before you set foot into the unknown abyss of what's gonna happen, and like you said, you can be thinking about divorce for years Because I don't know anybody who just casually wakes up on a Saturday morning and says, oh, I think I'll get a divorce and see how that goes. No. The by the time you come to the conclusion that you need to to, you know, make a separation here and make some big changes in your life, There's been a lot of pain that leads up to that point. There's a lot of I mean, nobody does this lately. So so you've already been through the pain and you enough pain has happened that you're like, I can't do this anymore.
Liesel Darby [00:11:57]:
I deserve better. My kids deserve better, and I have a lot of life left ahead of me. And I just don't wanna do this anymore. There's gotta be something better. So I always say, you know, it takes tremendous courage to pull the trigger. Right? To to make that final decision, like, yes. This is what has to happen. This is what I need to do, and I I have to take I have to take the steps forward.
Liesel Darby [00:12:22]:
And whether it's maybe you're not the one who is making that Decision. Maybe you were the one who was told by your your spouse that that they wanna divorce. You know? And that's devastating too. That's when you're in a lot of pain too, because this is not your choice. But, again, you probably had some clue, even if it's in hindsight, you know, because we're we're all good with denial and do what we need to do to get through the day. So we put up with a lot. Keith, we we put up with a lot, especially when, you know, we're talking about marriages and the societal pressure, Family pressure. You know, we don't wanna do anything to disrupt the kids.
Liesel Darby [00:13:03]:
We think that you know? We don't know. Are the kids gonna fall apart? What what's gonna happen? So by the time that you are at the beginning of your divorce so let's move past contemplation because that's if it's you're gonna it's gonna be your choice. But it's it's nice to know that other people are in their process and they're doing okay or, you know, that there is hope there. So when we talk about maybe you're just starting. You the trigger has been pulled either by you or or somebody else. There's still a lot of anxiety there. Because and you can be overwhelmed you can be overwhelmed at this point because you're probably having to gather documents. You're afraid of what the financials are gonna look like.
Liesel Darby [00:13:43]:
You're wondering, am I gonna be able to survive? You know, what's gonna happen with the kids? Do I get to keep the dog? What where am I gonna live? What what what?
Leah Hadley [00:13:53]:
Right. Absolutely.
Liesel Darby [00:13:54]:
What's gonna happen here? So that's another Great time when you need all the support you can get because now you you've dipped your toe into that pool and you're on that journey now. It's so nice to know that other women are further along on this path, and they're okay. You know? They're they're okay. And and they can tell they can help you out. Then let's say you're in the middle of it. Let's say you're you've been going through the divorce process for months, maybe. And it can this can be a really bad place to be because you can't see the end in sight. You really had hoped it would be over by now.
Liesel Darby [00:14:33]:
You and your ex might be really fighting over some things. Right? Maybe you can't come to terms with some things that are important, you're fatigued. You know? This is when people get fatigued is in the middle of it because You can't you don't see the finish line. And, you know, the the bills are piling up, and lawyers aren't returning your calls. Your ex is being really difficult. He's dug his heels in about something, and it can just feel like, oh, can we just Please finish this. And so that's another thing. You're gonna need some support to get through this part.
Liesel Darby [00:15:11]:
And then, we talk about when it's Finally done. That piece of paper is is signed by the judge. But guess what? Now you're in a whole new phase of your life. And
Leah Hadley [00:15:21]:
That's right.
Liesel Darby [00:15:22]:
And now you're like, okay. Well, I mean, I was married for 25 years. I was with my my husband for 29th. I was a teenager, Technically, when we met, we were in college. And so I'm like, holy cow. I did not Plan for this.
Leah Hadley [00:15:40]:
Right. Yeah.
Liesel Darby [00:15:42]:
And it was just like, well, Deep breath. Okay. I mean, this is my new life. And but this can be exciting. This can be one of the the best parts is Because now you have a blank slate. And now or or to think of it as a new chapter, and you get to write it. And so now you might I remember when, when my ex left. Again, remember, I've been married for 25 years, And I was like, oh my god.
Liesel Darby [00:16:14]:
I have complete control of the remote right now, and I don't even know what I wanna do. All I know is I don't wanna watch football. All I know or I'm thinking, wow. You know what? I have not made stuffed peppers In 25 years because he hates peppers. And I love stuffed peppers. And guess what? I can go to the store right now And get the stuff and make myself stuffed peppers for tonight if I want to, or I can order a pizza and I have the whole thing for myself. So but it really is a time to rediscover who you are when you're not Being defined by a relationship. And when you're not being having to feel like you're walking on eggshells To not ruffle any feathers or you don't have to justify how you spend your money now.
Liesel Darby [00:17:05]:
You know, if you wanna go to forget and spend $100 on sports bras. You can do that. So it It can be just, like, just a very freeing part of your life, but it can also be it's also some people go overboard on on certain things. But, again, having people in in a support group who can cheer you on, who can give you, you know, Give you some good feedback. You can what I like about this is at any at any stage of your divorce, When you're in a support group, you can both, get support from people if you need it, but you can also be an inspiration for somebody else, You can be comforting to somebody else. This works for everybody at any stage. So, again, yeah, this is kind of a long winded question, but, yeah, support group is really for anybody.
Leah Hadley [00:18:07]:
Beginning, middle Oh, and there's so much, especially post divorce. Right, Leah? So that people you know, at some point, a lot of folks will react to the dating scene And going through those experiences, I will say the 1st year after my marriage was actually much more difficult than my divorce itself Because we were trying to navigate that coparenting relationship. And while we had done a very good job of preparing the conversation that we had with the children, We didn't do a good job of preparing anything after that. And so that 1st year, we were really trying to find our rhythm, and we were both very angry and hurt. And it was just that was a Tough year. And I I'm sure that I personally would have benefited from being with other people who could have just just It's been there to acknowledge and and validate what I was experiencing.
Liesel Darby [00:18:54]:
Yeah. And you're right. Like, the 1st year the 1st couple years probably after divorce are all about healing. You know, you you gotta you're grieving. Right? Because you Right. You're grieving what was, what could have been. You know, Christmases are gonna look different now. Birthdays might look different now.
Liesel Darby [00:19:11]:
You know, the whole the whole thing. So you gotta allow yourself to feel those feelings in order to heal from that. Gotta go through it to to heal it. And, it's just nice to know that other people understand and can just just can commit sometimes you just need to talk, Honestly, just just to get it out. And it's so nice when you're not just talking to your cat.
Leah Hadley [00:19:37]:
But, Lisa, I think some people might not be clear about what's the difference between Participating in a support group like this versus just going to see a therapist.
Liesel Darby [00:19:47]:
Yeah. Okay. And that's a really big dis distinction here. When we talk about therapy, we're talking about you are gonna get a diagnosis, you're gonna get a treatment plan, your Your sessions with a therapist are all very much directed towards your treatment plan, and and therapy really is It depends on the kind of therapies that you're getting. When I was doing therapy, I really liked doing cognitive behavioral therapy Because it was in the now it's not so much like, well, let's look back and look for patterns and all this stuff, which can take a lot of time. And I don't it it It can be helpful sometimes, but I'm much more interested on what can we do right now to help you move forward. So, but but it's very, very focused And it like, you're you're gonna be dealing with things like maybe anxiety disorder or depression that might be Seeping into all areas of your life, right, and have for a long time. So it's not situation specific a lot of times.
Liesel Darby [00:20:45]:
A support group is specific. So this is for your divorce. Right? We're and ours, it's for divorce. And it's I I don't have a structure. It's so it's I don't have an agenda When we come into the the safe space here, I call it the sacred space of a group, it's whatever whatever the group numbers need at that time. And I'm a facilitator. You know? So, I I can occasionally go back into therapy mode or teacher mode. I mean, that's very easy for me to do, and and I can give guidance if somebody needs it.
Liesel Darby [00:21:19]:
But the purpose of a support group is really for the members to support each other and to To have interactions and conversations, and I facilitate that. A lot of people find therapy be very intense. It can be. Support groups can be depending on who needs to say what at that time, but I think it's just a lot more fluid. And we're not focused on, you know, a disorder. You know? We're not saying anybody here is disordered. This is a a natural reaction action to a life event.
Leah Hadley [00:21:54]:
Mhmm.
Liesel Darby [00:21:54]:
And, you know, and we're and we're just gonna figure out how to deal with it. That that's all. Support each other. This is not a therapy group. You know? I'm I'm I'm never gonna be I don't go into therapy mode except if if I can give you a tip maybe on well, maybe Let's look at that thought that you're having that's causing you a lot of problems here. And can you can you do something else with it? Can you put another thought in there that feels better than what you're doing? But a lot of it's just validating the feelings and really, just listening. To have somebody truly listen to you and truly hear what you're saying is one of the most healing things that can happen. And and, again, therapy is 1 on 1.
Liesel Darby [00:22:35]:
This is you're here with a bunch of other people who who are giving you their energy, so that's a lot different dynamic as well.
Leah Hadley [00:22:42]:
Yeah. But not too many people. Right? We do limit the group sizes.
Liesel Darby [00:22:46]:
We do limit the group sizes. So you're not ever gonna come to one of our groups and be, like, one of the little tiny squares And just hope to God that you get a chance to say something. Now we we cap our groups at, 10, and, and that that There's if we need to have more groups, we will, but they're not gonna have more than 10 people at a time because everybody needs to have a chance that if you wanna talk, you can. If you wanna give support Somebody you can't.
Leah Hadley [00:23:17]:
Yeah. I love that so much. Now I talked about how my mom was my biggest support when I was going through my divorce. And, Lisel, you talked about leaning on some girlfriends, but we also have talked in the past about why sometimes turning to friends and family is not necessarily the best option. Can you speak to that a little bit?
Liesel Darby [00:23:37]:
Yeah. The truth okay. So so usually the If you get big news, like, you're like, somebody wants out of the marriage or you have made that decision, It's natural that we're gonna talk we're gonna tell either you or your moms or maybe a sister or or a best friend, and that's natural. However, people have limits. And what you're gonna have to talk about this so much In order to to really heal it, that you would wear them out. And and you're not meaning to, but But for the most part, your friends and family are willing to listen upfront for for a while, and they'll give you what they can. But they're they'll have a limit. The other thing is they're biased.
Liesel Darby [00:24:29]:
K? They're They're in your corner. They're probably gonna be really in your corner. And as a result, they might be giving you advice That might not be the best for you as you're dealing with with going through your divorce. And in fact, they they can give advice that would actually not be good. So and but it comes from good intentions. Right? They they love you. They wanna they don't like to see you hurting. So So they're gonna give you what they can, but they're they're not trained, you know, to know what to say and what not to say.
Liesel Darby [00:25:11]:
And, you know, in a support group, the nice thing is that, The people are are it's not that they're biased, but they're in the same space. So they can be empathetic. Let me try that word again. Empathetic. They can be empathetic. They they're more likely to be really able to put themselves in your place in your shoes. And from that place, they can give you maybe where you know, they can say, well, you know, I was in this place too, And this is what worked for me. Well, I hear you, sister.
Liesel Darby [00:25:47]:
I I I I feel for you, and I've been the same place when he said this to me, Or my kids aren't listening to me, and I've been and so it's it's just a different space that they're coming from than somebody who's, like, willing to Fight for you and wants to just, you know, bury the other person on your behalf. But, it might not be the most helpful things when you're trying to maybe do negotiations or to come to terms with what's gonna be best for you and your kids moving forward.
Leah Hadley [00:26:18]:
Yeah. I think it's also really helpful to have somebody like you who is a mediator, is a divorce coach, does facilitate these groups, Has a lot of background knowledge in the divorce space to to recognize when maybe somebody is saying something that's not helpful as far as advice goes. I know I see it online all the time where people are just responding with things that just quite frankly aren't true or are very case specific. And it's so frustrating because people are just, you know, taking this advice and trying to generalize it when it just isn't.
Liesel Darby [00:26:52]:
Right. Yeah. So you got you gotta be careful. Be careful with Yeah. Who you're talking to. Does it mean that you You still don't go out with the girls and have a glass of wine and bash bash if you need to bash somebody, but you don't wanna But you don't wanna do that too often because it'll get you stuck.
Leah Hadley [00:27:10]:
So Right.
Liesel Darby [00:27:11]:
Yeah. Our our our groups are about, validating feelings And moving forward. Right? Because you don't wanna stay in this any any longer than you have to. Right. You don't wanna stay here too long. You wanna figure out, what's going on and how to get to the next next stepping stone.
Leah Hadley [00:27:30]:
So, Liezl, tell me what having an intentional divorce means to you and how a support group can really help you with that process.
Liesel Darby [00:27:39]:
Okay. So an intentional divorce in its very name, to me, means that I'm I'm taking control of what I can control And making decisions, making thoughtful decisions rather than just kinda re reacting to things. It's, because to me, reaction is like that knee jerk reaction. Like, something happens today and, like, oh my god. You know, my my my emotions are Specific to that, but they're not thoughtful. There's so much going on emotionally when you're going through a divorce That the more that you can slow it down and just take some time to think about okay. What do I want this to look like? Like, it's almost like thinking to the end. Like, how would I really like this to end up? I know I've gotta go through this process, but what can I do to equip myself to be in the best position for me at the end of this? So that might mean thinking about, well, how do I wanna be able to communicate with my ex? You know? Start start that process now, because that might be as much as what you don't say to that person as to what you do say.
Liesel Darby [00:28:54]:
But it's not true. And it also means that you have to prepare yourself like, okay. I know my triggers. I know if he says this, I'm gonna I'm gonna lose it. Okay. So now what can I do To prepare myself ahead of time to not not go in that direction? It also means
Leah Hadley [00:29:13]:
I think that is so helpful. I just wanna mention on that point, I was leading a mediation one time, and the, husband of the couple Told me not to use the word alimony. He said that's a trigger word for me. And so if you can talk about it in some other way, I know we need to talk about it, But if you could just not use that word and that was so helpful to me as their mediator because I want us to be able to make progress. And him knowing and acknowledging and sharing that with me, I was just, first of all, very impressed, and it was super helpful to facilitate the mediation.
Liesel Darby [00:29:48]:
Yeah. Yeah. It's self awareness. I think that's part of being intentional is being self aware. Have you taken the time to understand where you are emotionally. Right? Because sometimes you you might think you're you got it together, and then Somebody somebody's nice to you, and you lose it. I remember the day that, my husband told me that he wanted To get he he went into a divorce. He was having an affair and but I needed to go and get my own checking account.
Liesel Darby [00:30:20]:
And so the next day, Bright and early 9 o'clock, I show up at the bank ready to do this, and and all this poor guy did was say, how are you doing? And I started sobbing. I was like, oh my god. I am not ready to be out in public. Somebody might be nice to me, and I cannot handle It's you know, that that resolved itself in about 2 weeks. But I need but I need it it that's just a, you know, an example. Just You just kinda have to show where you are emotionally. But, as I was saying, I think it's about making conscious decisions for yourself. That's what intentional is.
Liesel Darby [00:30:58]:
Right? You you're doing this on purpose to to equip myself with the best support that I can so that I will be The best I can be as stable as I can as I go through this process. And there are gonna be days, ladies, where You're not gonna be okay because, you know, your your cat threw up 3 times last night, and you were up to here every single time. You know, you're you're getting ready for work and your pants suddenly don't fit. You know, there's no stuck in traffic. Anything can happen that could knock you off your game. But the more that you can be stable emotionally, financially Making making good decisions for yourself, the better off that you will be. And so a support group is a wonderful way to Deliberately choose to equip yourself with some support so that you can be your best person, going forward. And through through this process and going forward, it's it's again, it's making a choice for yourself.
Liesel Darby [00:32:10]:
You know, because you're gonna feel pulled in all kinds of ways, from your kids, from in laws, from your parents, from your friends, From your lawyer, from all these places, and it it a support group can just really help to ground you and recenter And say, okay. I can breathe in here. I can say what I need to say. Here's the thing about a a group. Now, of course, we want everybody to participate, but let's say you're having a day where you just You don't feel like you have the energy or you're just in a in a in a down place and you just don't wanna talk. It's still very healing just to come to group, Just to be with everybody else and feel their energy, and and you don't have to really say anything if you don't want to. You know, I'm not a teacher. I'm not gonna call on you.
Liesel Darby [00:33:04]:
And and I I I know from, You know, other places that I've worked and we were doing this stuff, it's like, it's okay if you if you don't feel like talking. If you don't feel like sharing a whole bunch today, it's perfectly okay. But come to group. Still come here and be with other people who, you know, have wanna support you, and and maybe you might surprise yourself. You might Maybe you can share something that's gonna help somebody else, or you might hear somebody else giving support to another group member. You're like, oh, yeah. Yeah. I I I really I'm resonating with that.
Liesel Darby [00:33:39]:
So there's there's no downside to coming to a support group. There's really not. I just think there's the advantages of it are huge. There's no downside, and do it for yourself. You know? Give this gift to yourself that that for an hour a week, You have a refuge in a sanctuary where you can come and talk about what you need to or just sit and absorb, and just know that know that you're not alone, And you do not have to do this by yourself.
Leah Hadley [00:34:13]:
Oh, that was so powerful. Thank you so much, Liesel, for joining us today, for being a part of the team, for just spreading your love and compassion in the world. We are grateful to have you.
Liesel Darby [00:34:28]:
I'm so happy to be here, Leah. You know this. I I love you so much. Thank you for this opportunity Back
Leah Hadley [00:34:35]:
at you.
Liesel Darby [00:34:36]:
Let me do this for other women who were in this situation.
Leah Hadley [00:34:40]:
Thank you for joining me on intentional divorce insights. It's a privilege to share this time with you. I hope each episode offers valuable guidance to navigate your journey. If you find our content helpful, Please leave a review to help others discover the benefits of intentional decision making in divorce. Until next time, Take care and continue to embrace your path with intention.
